The Mystery Of The Pagan Origin Of Christmas: Jesus Was Not Born On December 25...

[Namreg]

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It's only news to provocateurs like yourself.

:glugglug:

 

[HELLRAISER]

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You know the world is going to end soon when lying, backstabbing and treasonous NeoCons celebrate Christmas and attack anyone who dares to share facts about the origins of Christmas :glugglug:

 

[Jack Davenport]

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Hey HELLRAISER it has been discovered that April 15 (tax deadline day) came into being because it was the day that King Herrod mandated that all taxes should be paid. So since it has roots of a Biblical origin you should probably just ignore it.

Signed,

your buddy

BC

 

[meesterperfect]

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^ ^that must have felt so good to say that, after waiting for almost two days.
thats what you wanted the whole time.

question, alot of people celebrate or at least observe christmas.
are they all neocons?
And it wasnt your "facts" that bug people, its you.

 

[HELLRAISER]

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^ i don't think so because many liberals and non-Christians I know celebrate Christmas but they don't get all butt uptight like NeoCons do when you present them with the hisorical facts regarding the origins of Christmas :hatsoff:

According to genuine Christians, NeoCons and Liberals alike who claim to be Christian and celebrate Christmas are not really Christian

 

[drf]

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... But A Whole Bunch Of Pagan Gods Were

http://unexplainedmysteriesofthewor...ber-25th-but-a-whole-bunch-of-pagan-gods-were

Why is Christmas celebrated on December 25th? Most people assume that it has always been a Christian holiday and that it is a celebration of the birth of Jesus. But it turns out that Jesus was not born on December 25th. However, a whole bunch of pagan gods were born on that day. In fact, pagans celebrated a festival involving a heroic supernatural figure that visits an evergreen tree and leaves gifts on December 25th long before Jesus was ever born. From its early Babylonian roots, the celebration of the birth or "rebirth" of the sun god on December 25th came to be celebrated under various names all over the ancient world. You see, the winter solstice occurs a few days before December 25th each year. The winter solstice is the day of the year when daylight is the shortest. In ancient times, December 25th was the day each year when the day started to become noticeably longer. Thus it was fitting for the early pagans to designate December 25th as the date of the birth or the "rebirth" of the sun.

The truth is that thousands of years before there was a "Santa Claus", there was another supernatural figure who would supposedly visit a tree and leave gifts every December 25th.

His name was Nimrod.

The celebration of December 25th goes all the way back to ancient Babylon.

According to ancient Babylonian tradition, Semiramis (who eventually became known as the goddess Astarte/Asherah/Ashtoreth/Isis/Ishtar/Easter in other pagan religions) claimed that after the untimely death of her son/husband Nimrod (yes she was married to her own son), a full grown evergreen tree sprang up overnight from a dead tree stump. Semiramis claimed that Nimrod would visit that evergreen tree and leave gifts each year on the anniversary of his birth, which just happened to be on December 25th.

This is the true origin of the Christmas tree.

On Bibletools.org, Mike Ford describes this ancient pagan tradition about Nimrod this way....

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After Nimrod's death (c. 2167 BC), Semiramis promoted the belief that he was a god. She claimed that she saw a full-grown evergreen tree spring out of the roots of a dead tree stump, symbolizing the springing forth of new life for Nimrod. On the anniversary of his birth, she said, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts under it.

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On that same site, John Plunkett described the ancient pagan myth regarding December 25th in this manner....

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From many ancient writings, considerable is learned of this man, who started the great organized worldly apostasy from God that has dominated this world until now. Nimrod was so evil, it is said he married his own mother, whose name was Semiramis. After Nimrod's untimely death, his so-called mother-wife, Semiramis, propagated the evil doctrine of the survival of Nimrod as a spirit being. She claimed a full-grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump, which symbolized the springing forth unto new life of the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts upon it. December 25th was the birthday of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree.

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From this original fable peddled by Semiramis (the "Queen of Heaven") came the tradition for pagans to go out to the holy "groves" and leave gifts for Nimrod (who later came to be worshipped as "Baal") at an evergreen tree.

Does that sound like a "Christian" holiday to you?

In fact, in his classic work "The Two Babylons", Alexander Hislop describes the Babylonian origins of Christmas on page 93....

"Long before the fourth century, and long before the Christian era itself, a festival was celebrated among the heathen, at that precise time of the year, in honor of the birth of the son of the Babylonian queen of heaven. It may fairly be presumed that, in order to conciliate the heathen, and to swell the number of the nominal adherents of Christianity, the Roman Church, giving it only the name of Christ adopted the same festival. This tendency on the part of Christians to meet Paganism halfway was very early developed; and we find Tertullian, even in his day, about the year 230, bitterly lamenting the inconsistency of the disciples of Christ in this respect, and contrasting it with the strict fidelity of the Pagans to their own superstition."

In fact, the name "Yule" is the Babylonian word for "infant" or "little child" as Hislop describes on pages 93 and 94 of his book....

"That Christmas was originally a Pagan festival is beyond all doubt. The time of the year, and the ceremonies, with which it is still celebrated, prove its origin. In Egypt, the son of Isis, the Egyptian title for the queen of heaven, was born at this very time, 'about the time of the winter solstice.' The very name by which Christmas is popularly known among us -- Yule-day -- proves at once its pagan and Babylonian origin. 'Yule' is the Chaldee name for an 'infant' or 'little child'; and as the 25th of December was called by our Pagan Anglo-Saxon ancestors, 'Yule-day,' or the 'Child's-day,' and the night that preceded it, 'Mother-night,' long before they came in contact with Christianity, that sufficiently proves its real character. Far and wide, in the realms of Paganism, was this birthday observed."

So when you offer "yuletide" greetings, you are actually acknowledging Nimrod's birthday.

The truth is that the pagan holiday of "Yule" has been celebrated by the pagans of northern Europe from late December through early January for centuries and centuries. Yule logs were traditionally lit throughout northern Europe to honor the pagan god Thor. The festival would continue until the Yule log burned out - which could take up to twelve days. This is where we get the so-called "12 days of Christmas".

In fact, Wiccans, neo-pagans and even many witches still celebrate Yule to this day. Many of them think it is incredibly funny when Christians use the pagan word Yule. Yule is one of the most important holidays for them. The following excerpt was taken from a website on witchcraft:

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Birthday of the Twins:

Kemetic (ancient Egyptian) holy day. Birthday of the Twins, Heru Sa Aset and Bast, children of Aset [Isis]. Origin of Yule and Christmas. On Winter Solstice Asar [Osiris] dies. Aset [Isis] with the magick help of Nebt Het [Nephthys] creates a Djed Pillar [artificial penis] for Her husband and impregnates Herself. For three full days (December 22-24) Asar lies dead and the Twins grow in Aset’s belly. On this day (December 25th) the Twins are born, the reincarnation or resurrection of Their Father. The green tree is a symbol of the green-skinned Asar, God of fertility and vegetation. The colored lights are symbols of Aset, Goddess of magick and divine light. Red, green, and white are the traditional candle colors of Bast (this was Her birthday alone for several thousand years of early Kemetic history), later being adapted to red for Aset (the color of the Mother’s menstrual flow), green for Asar (the color of vegetation), and white for the Twins (the color of pure light).

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So where did Christmas come from?

Well, the truth is that the word "Christmas" is not actually found anywhere in the entire Bible.

In fact, the word "Christmas" was not even invented until about a thousand years after Jesus left this earth.

The Catholic Encyclopedia even admits this....

"The word for Christmas in late Old English is Cristes Maesse, the Mass of Christ, first found in 1038."

But Jesus was not even born on December 25th.

The reality is that it would have simply been far too cold for shepherds to be out with their sheep at night in Israel on December 25th.

The vast majority of Christian scholars now acknowledge this.

So when was Jesus actually born?

Based on the information we have in the Scriptures, it appears that it is most likely that Jesus was born in the fall. In particular, it seems most likely that Jesus was actually born during the Feast of Tabernacles as the video posted below demonstrates....



So how did December 25th come to be celebrated by Christians?

Well, by the time the Roman Empire legalized Christianity in the 4th century, most of the other religions in the empire were celebrating the birth of their gods on December 25th.

Leading up to December 25th in ancient Rome, a festival known as Saturnalia was one of the biggest celebrations of the year. Saturnalia was a festival during which the Romans commemorated the dedication of the temple of their god Saturn. This holiday began on the 17th of December and it would last for an entire week until the 23rd of December.

Saturnalia was typically characterized by gift-giving, feasting, singing and lots and lots of debauchery. The priests of Saturn would carry wreaths of evergreen boughs in procession throughout the pagan Roman temples.

Later on, the Romans also started holding a festival on December 25th called Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, which means "the birthday of the unconquered sun." Basically it was a way for the empire to consolidate all of the December 25th "sun god" birthdays throughout the empire into one holiday.

In the year 350 A.D., Pope Julius I declared that the birth of Jesus would be celebrated on December 25th from then on. There appears to be little doubt that Pope Julius was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans to convert to Catholicism.

However, the new holiday did not really take off with Christians at first. The widespread celebration of December 25th by Christians did not really get going until 378. It was apparently then dropped in 381 and then resurrected in 400.

But the truth is that December 25th was celebrated as the birthday of scores of pagan gods long before it was ever associated with Jesus.

As we discussed earlier, the celebration of December 25th goes all the way back to Nimrod (who eventually came to be worshipped as Baal).

Baal worship spread throughout the known world and provided the basis for all other pagan religions. The following are just some of the pagan gods that had "birthdays" on December 25th....

Mithras

Horus

Attis

Dionysus the son of Zeus

Tammuz

Hercules

Perseus

Helios

Bacchus

Apollo

Jupiter

Sol Invictus - (The "Unconquered Sun")

When the Roman Catholics decided to make December 25th a "Christian holiday" in the fourth century, they simply adopted a long standing pagan holiday and kept most of the same pagan traditions.

For example, the ancient Babylonian "Christmas tree" became known as a symbol of fertility throughout the ancient world. The pole, balls, and tinsel (phallus, testes, semen) represented various aspects of male fertility, while wreaths were always fashioned in a circle to represent female fertility.

In "The Two Babylons", Hislop describes some of the ancient traditions surrounding the Christmas tree on page 97....

"The Christmas tree, now so common among us, was equally common in Pagan Rome and Pagan Egypt. In Egypt that tree was the palm-tree; in Rome it was the fir; the palm tree denoting the Pagan messiah, as Baal-Tamar, the fir referring to him as Baal-Berith. The mother of Adonis, the sun-god and great mediatorial divinity, was mystically said to have been changed into a tree, and when in that state to have brought forth her divine son. If the mother was a tree, the son must have been recognized as the 'Man the branch.' And this entirely accounts for the putting of the Yule Log into the fire on Christmas Eve, and the appearance of the Christmas tree the next morning."

That sure puts a different spin on Christmas traditions, now doesn't it?

Most Christians don't even realize that God warned us about such things in the Bible.

In Jeremiah 10:1-4, God warns us against putting up these decorated trees like the pagans were doing....

Hear what the LORD says to you, O house of Israel. This is what the LORD says: "Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the sky, though the nations are terrified by them. For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter."

The Puritans understood this. It comes as a surprise to most Americans to learn that the Puritans once banned Christmas trees in many areas of the United States because they were considered so pagan.

According to ancient Babylonian tradition, the springtime fertility festival of Ishtar (Easter) was a time when the "Queen of Heaven" was believed to become impregnated. Nine months later the sun god would be "born" or "reborn".

To the ancient Babylonians, these holiday trees came to be worshipped as the "Queen of Heaven", and gifts were brought to the "groves" of trees that had been grown in her honor and placed beneath them as offerings.

The Babylonians also used wreaths to represent the nativity of the sun, since they were objects that depicted the "womb" of the Earth mother.

Early Christians completely rejected these traditions. In the 3rd century, Tertullian wrote the following about these pagan celebrations....

"On your day of gladness, we [Christians] neither cover our doorposts with wreaths, nor intrude upon the day with lamps. At the call of public festivity, you consider it a proper thing to decorate your house like some new brothel. We are accused of a lower sacrilege because
we do not celebrate along with you the holidays ..."

The truth is that the celebration of December 25th and most of the accompanying traditions have always been pagan.

But many Christians will protest and say that it is okay for them to celebrate December 25th because to them it is all about Jesus.

That was the same excuse that Aaron used when he and most of the rest of the people of Israel worshipped the golden calf while Moses was up on the mountain getting the Law of God. Aaron actually said that the worship of the golden calf was being done to the Lord as we read in Exodus 32:5....

When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, "Tomorrow there will be a festival to the LORD."

But we know how that turned out.

God was not pleased.

At all.

In fact, He was furious.

In the same way, God is not pleased when we celebrate pagan holidays and keep traditions that have been pagan for thousands of years.

For even more on the pagan origins of Christmas, check out the following YouTube video....

I appreciate all the research you have done for this but I think the majority of the people om this forum are well aware of this fact and you are just stating the obvious.:2 cents:

 

[HELLRAISER]

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^ I'm glad you appreciate it. Some may be aware and some may not be aware. They can love it or leave it

 

[titsrock]

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I think this is news to Americans, but maybe not to our Euro friends.

Christianity = manipulation

 

[HELLRAISER]

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^ Europeans are definitely more enlightened about History then Americans presume to be

 

[whoremaker]

^ Europeans are definitely more enlightened about History then Americans presume to be

Only if by "Americans" one is referring to ignorant, trolling assclowns who post useless rhetorical garbage to internet forums with the sole intent of fostering drama in order to compensate for the complete lack of social interaction and overabundance of loneliness and despair in their own dismal off-line lives. In that case, then yes, you're right. Otherwise, not so much.

Oh, and by the way;

Merry Christmas, Fuckhead!

 

[Will E Worm]

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^ Europeans are definitely more enlightened about History then Americans presume to be

:1orglaugh No. :tongue:

 

[drf]

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Only if by "Americans" one is referring to ignorant, trolling assclowns who post useless rhetorical garbage to internet forums with the sole intent of fostering drama in order to compensate for the complete lack of social interaction and overabundance of loneliness and despair in their own dismal off-line lives. In that case, then yes, you're right. Otherwise, not so much.

I wouldn't presume to know what's going on in anyones head.

 

[Galactic]

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Why do you assume that this was posted just for you? Are you really that egotistical and arrogant to think I took the time to post this so that I could preach to you, a member of the choir?

Oh, excuse me for raising awareness that doesn't favor fairy tale religions such as Catholicism by sharing educational information with others who are interested in expanding their minds with knowledge and facts, what was I thinking? /sarcasm

You think you are raising awareness? Really? You have not once, not ever, not even quickly, raised anything in these forums worth anything, have not brought up one topic worthy of discussion, have not contributed anything more than garbage spewed from your hate filled head.

You try to be inflammatory, and it is only there that you succeed. You use the same word over and over and over when describing your "enemies", which is all the evidence the rest of us grounded individuals need to realize that we are indeed not dealing with a mental giant.

How long did this monster post take you? Did you really believe that you would shock anyone here with your "info"? Are you not aware of the creation of such stations such as Nat Geo and Discovery and History, ALL of which have aired numerous programs going into far more depth and detail than your little expose?

You expand nobody's mind here. All you do is bring fuel for a fire, and generally make yourself look like an ass.

But hell, it is the season for generosity, so keep it up man......I guess we do need something to laugh at.

 

[whoremaker]

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I wouldn't presume to know what's going on in anyones head.

You do know that I wasn't referring to you, don't you? ???

 

[Jack Davenport]

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^ Europeans are definitely more enlightened about History then Americans presume to be

Not to mention grammar.

 

[meesterperfect]

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You think you are raising awareness? Really? You have not once, not ever, not even quickly, raised anything in these forums worth anything, have not brought up one topic worthy of discussion, have not contributed anything more than garbage spewed from your hate filled head.

You try to be inflammatory, and it is only there that you succeed. You use the same word over and over and over when describing your "enemies", which is all the evidence the rest of us grounded individuals need to realize that we are indeed not dealing with a mental giant.

How long did this monster post take you? Did you really believe that you would shock anyone here with your "info"? Are you not aware of the creation of such stations such as Nat Geo and Discovery and History, ALL of which have aired numerous programs going into far more depth and detail than your little expose?

You expand nobody's mind here. All you do is bring fuel for a fire, and generally make yourself look like an ass.

But hell, it is the season for generosity, so keep it up man......I guess we do need something to laugh at.

holy shit.

 

[Philbert]

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You think you are raising awareness? Really? You have not once, not ever, not even quickly, raised anything in these forums worth anything, have not brought up one topic worthy of discussion, have not contributed anything more than garbage spewed from your hate filled head.

You try to be inflammatory, and it is only there that you succeed. You use the same word over and over and over when describing your "enemies", which is all the evidence the rest of us grounded individuals need to realize that we are indeed not dealing with a mental giant.

How long did this monster post take you? Did you really believe that you would shock anyone here with your "info"? Are you not aware of the creation of such stations such as Nat Geo and Discovery and History, ALL of which have aired numerous programs going into far more depth and detail than your little expose?

You expand nobody's mind here. All you do is bring fuel for a fire, and generally make yourself look like an ass.

But hell, it is the season for generosity, so keep it up man......I guess we do need something to laugh at.

Post of the Week ...I'll nominate it, ya'll come vote for this post!:thumbsup:
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=2822512&postcount=1

 

[Mayhem]

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Christmas is in December because Santa drives a sled, not a dune buggy.....fuckheads.

 

[JacknCoke]

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Its funny how this thread has nothing to do with noecon's yet its part of the tag. Helldoucher strikes again!

 

[meesterperfect]

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whats the correct adverb or adjective form?
neoconic
neoconically
neoconative
neoconativley
neoconish
neoconishily
neoconicable
neoconablly

Or another? I need to know.